frog farms

[Brandon Knowles]

thats one hellatious tadpole setup!!!! Not being familiar with those broms , are the deposition cups about the size of shot glasses? Apparently the frogs are prone to using them when there are plenty of natural broms around and it makes for easier viewing.

[UmbraSprite]

As for me Marcus....

I have no interest in visiting farms...particularly while I am on vacation! I will be kicking back on a boat sipping wine and making the occasional landfall to record some wildlife.

My only input came from the feedback from the IAD committee a few weeks back about the farms that are up and running now. They aren't willing to allow many of these Panamanian pums because they claim they weren't able to have an inspector visit the site. I can only assume that they are not meeting this resistance from the sites in Peru and that is why we will likely see those animals allowed at the next IAD.

Me...I am with you. I think its great we are getting the opportunity to work with these frogs. The only downside are the prices although this probably helps keep them from falling into inexperienced hands as often.
As long as they are healthy and not contributing to the demise of extremely threatened species then I sleep just fine at night.

I enjoy my frogs...but most of all I want to be able to go see them in the wild...not on a farm.

Chris

[elmoisfive]

Originally Posted by SNDF

One suggestion or recommendation, if you what to go to Panama and take pictures of frogs that you don't have, frogs that are not available in the hobby, frogs that are, but you can not afford to buy. GO to the forest, to the jungle, the Islands etc. and take all the pictures you what. With that you will have a amazing vacation, a relaxing time and feel STRESS FREE.

Always nice when a little bit of common sense creeps onto the DB 8)

Bill

[SNDF]

Your welcome Jason, we normally don’t like to participate in the posts but because of the subject of the post we felt we had some good information to share.

Brandon, the greenhouses are a very good size: 25x35 feet. If you look closer at the picture you can see that on one piece of wood there are little 3 oz. cups and on the other the medium size glasses. The cups are to give them more options and leave it up to them to decide. The pumilio do put Tadpoles there, we have seen them. They are well planted for the frogs to feel as free as possible.

Chris, the only inspectors allowed to do inspections in their farm are from the Panamanian government. Not for a group of peoples how run a show. IAD is not Fish and Wildlife or the government from Panama. IAD refused to allow any imports that have been breed in farms. The reason why they allowed us to sell the Peruvian frogs is because we sent them proof that this group of frogs were breed in Canada from Mark Pepper. IAD made a decision and we respected that decision. We are just a vendor at the show. We had enough frogs to sell there without the Panama Pumilio. We got to meet lots of nice peoples and that was our main reason for going there.

Concerning the price we are selling these frogs for. Let me tell you that we have allot of work, money, time and effort put into these frogs before you get them into your hands. We are not just a wholesaler bringing these frogs in. We have been working with the Panamanian exporter for over 3 years to be able to bring these different Pumilio to the hobby. Site data was never a consideration before, as an example.

Time to go to work. No more cha cha.

Valentina & Marcus
SNDF

[UmbraSprite]

No doubt that I appreciate your efforts Marcus....

I know very well all the hidden costs when running an operation like this. Thanks for your insight and look forward to seeing more beautiful frogs from you!