frog farms

[sbreland]

That, honestly, is a point that has been up for debate and I do not know. I don't know that I have ever heard any proof leaning one way or the other, but the thought seems to be that they do send off offspring produced at the farm, but that there may also be some wild caughts mixed in there too. I'm not sure so won't comment one way or the other but this is likely going ot be one of those "trade secrets" and one of those things you'd have to weigh morally for yourself to decide you belief

[Filip]

Hi!
In Europe it is commonly assumed that only a very small part of the so-called farmbred frogs are actually farmbred. These farms will probably exist, but most of their 'offspring' would still be harvested in the same way large smugglers do: let kids collect them in the wild for a penny.

Personally I think there would be less smoke if there weren't any fire and the strong emotions in this thread only strenghten this feeling.

[rmelancon]

As to the existence of farms read the following thread:

http://www.dendroboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3941

There are many reasons (of which I will not go into) why these farms are private and why they don't really offer "tours" of their facilities to outsiders.

[Brandon Knowles]

George Elliot

[Catfur]

Originally Posted by Brandon Knowles

George Elliot

What does that have to do with anything?

[booboo]

Originally Posted by PDFanatic

Well it goes hand in hand everytime I make a comment people take it as being threatening so I guess that I need to specify my intentions on posts otherwise the whole board goes up in a rucus.

"I know pretty much zero..." <-- I think thats funny.

Well does this tell you anything. That everytime you post people take it as an obnoxious threatening post? hmm makes you wonder.


Anyways as far as frog farms, I think they exist but I think the farmers realize that it it's not that steady for income while people only import them every once and a while. I figure it's not there only job and therefor they dont have much of a reason to publicize about it. Furthermore down in SA they are just another animal so unless the farmers are truly didicated to the animals they probably dont care too much. It would be like us setting up cages and breeding fence lizards/blue bellys but not everyone thinks of that. <-- All that is just sort of theorized but i think it makes some sense... :lol:

[Brandon Knowles]

UmbraSprite wrote:
Abe Lincoln?


It's been credited to several, and in many cases anon. Sounds like Twain to me, but not


Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt - George Elliot

[SLEDDER23]

Originally Posted by Brandon Knowles

Interesting! Doesn't sound like something a woman would say. Neither did her other stuff, not that I've read much of it mind you.

[SNDF]

Jason and everyone, this conversation has been on and on many times. We can say that the Exporter that we work with is not available at the door waiting for guests to come to his facility. His has a Breeding facility, not a pet shop open to the public. It is not a place where you can go to sneak around and take pictures.

If that is a reason to think that the Farm is not legit, ok it is up to you.

All we know is that his door is only open for the inspectors to do their inspections every couple of weeks. As far as we know SNDF and one other importer have been allowed into his facility.

Chris, if the farm in Panama is suspect because they do not allow visitors then our SNDF breeding facility must also be suspect because we don't allow visitors either. We have a 2000 sq. ft. warehouse that is a breeding facility and many times we have had to refuse customers request to come by our facility because we are not open to the public.

Josh, if your research scientist told you that the farms are non-existent, then please explain where all this information that has been open to the public as of Nov 17, 2004 from Rob Melancon came from. We now have more proof that the farm has been expanding for the past few years. Here are more pictures for the people who are interested.

Please stop the speculations. Please stop going after people for no reason. God, just enjoy the beautiful frogs that we and other importers have brought to the hobby.

You should know that hundreds of frogs die each month from the German smugglers and others. Each month we hear about people that get caught at the airports with smuggled frogs crammed into film canisters.

One suggestion or recommendation, if you what to go to Panama and take pictures of frogs that you don't have, frogs that are not available in the hobby, frogs that are, but you can not afford to buy. GO to the forest, to the jungle, the Islands etc. and take all the pictures you what. With that you will have a amazing vacation, a relaxing time and feel STRESS FREE.

Valentina & Marcus
SNDF

These photos by SNDF can not be reproduced or copied without the expressed permission of SNDF.

Auratus Eggs



Tadpole system



Pumilio cages





Pumilio greenhouse





Auratus cages

[Jason DeSantis]

Thank you Marcus and Valentina for clearing this all up. I totally understand about not wanting the public to be at the farms. I just thought it would be nice to see the farm if I was down there. Now I know I cant and thats fine.
Jason