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Old 08-08-2006, 03:57 AM
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What do mean "huh". What word can't you understand?
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Hmmmm...
This reminds me of an article I read some time ago (not a post here) about how bad it was to microwave your food in plastic containers, such as Tuperware or Glad because it releases chemicals or gases or something like that into the food.
I have lately been having problems with my cultures failing. I use the plastic culture cups and lids. I microwave them for one minute before using them.
Is there anyone else out there that does the same thing and sees the same problem?
Perhaps glass IS the better way to go.
heh that story eh? Its questionable at best. I'd worry more if the plastic wasnt "microwave safe" heres a thing from snopes

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cookplastic.asp
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Keep in mind the concept of safe is theirs.
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If you know somethings not right then fix it. Questioning is a good thing but if you already have the answer don't stagnate youself and hope better by asking more than what is integral..
according to the snopes article, it is not true that microwaving plastic is not safe.

Goes to show you can't believe everthing you read. I think you owe me an appology stchupa.
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Boy, I don't know, as I mentioned above microwaving the 16oz plastic cups AND lids is the only way I've been doing it since I've been in the hobby. And that's with just reusing the same cups & lids over & over. I bought 25 or so cups when I first started and I think I've used maybe 8 of them. I'm just not seeing any problems doing it this way. My cultures produce well and I don't have any mold problems. I keep the cultures for 4 weeks or so - 10-14 days to hatch out a new batch of flies, 2 weeks of using the culture to feed out to the frogs and then i start over again.
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according to the snopes article, it is not true that microwaving plastic is not safe.
I just quickly browsed the snopes article so I probably missed something but There's a building body of literature supporting claims that endocrine disruptors are secreted into food microwaved in plastic containers...

The only thing on snopes i saw was mention of dioxins, but there are other contaminants. While the studies may not be out spelling out the dangers of xenoestrogens or something, it seems scary to me...

Here's a section from "developmental biology" by Gilbert:

Some estrogenic compounds may be in the food we eat and in the wrapping that surrounds them, for some of the chemicals used to set plastics have been found to be estrogenic. The discovery of the estrogenic effect of plastic stabilizers was made in a frightening way. Investigators at Tufts University Medical School had been studying estrogen-responsive tumor cells. These cells require estrogen in order to proliferate. Their studies were going well until 1987, when the experiments suddenly went awry. Then the control cells began to show the high growth rates suggesting stimulation comparable to that of the estrogen-treated cells. Thus, it as if someone had contaminated the medium by adding estrogen to it. What was the source of contamination? After spending four months testing all the components of their experimental system, the researchers discovered that the source of estrogen was the plastic tubes that held their water and serum. The company that made the tubes refused to tell the investigators about its new process for stabilizing the polystyrene plastic, so the scientists had to discover it themselves. The culprit turned out to be p-nonylphenol, a chemical that is also used to harden the plastic of the plumbing tubes that bring us water and to stabilize the polystyrene plastics that hold water, milk, orange juice, and other common liquid food products (Soto et al. 1991; Colburn et al. 1996). This compound is also the degradation product of detergents, household cleaners, and contraceptive creams. A related compound, 4-tert-pentylphenol, has a potent estrogenic effect on human cultured cells and can cause male carp (Cyprinus carpis) to develop oviducts, ovarian tissue, and oocytes (Gimeno et al. 1996).


I guess the jury is still out on the issue... whether or not it has much to do with fly cultures, I don't know. So mods feel free to delete my post if you feel it is not contributing to the topic...

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Interesting...

This is what I found on the subject.
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Food grade plastics are made from a specific list of plastics approved by the FDA (which may include dyes and recycled plastic that have not been determined to be harmful to humans). Once a plastic container has been used to store non-food items (like detergent or paint), it can no longer be considered food grade. Plastics containers that are not food grade may leach plasticizers into food on contact. Due to the nature of plastics, they have a high affinity for fats. Plastics that come in contact with an oil-based substance will almost always be irrevocably altered and the plastic may never become truly clean once again. Contact to foods that are high in fat may cause leaching of the original oil-based substance into the food even if the plastic was originally food grade.

Microwave safe plastics are food grade plastics (which do not leach plasticizers) that are known to be able to withstand higher than normal temperatures. Plastics that are not microwave safe may leach harmful substances when heated in a microwave oven. (There was an internet e-mail scare/hoax that was passed around claiming the USDA or FDA and independent researchers showed that dioxin (a plasticizer) leached out of plastic wrap onto food being microwaved. This is untrue since all microwave safe plastics are dioxin free. Saran and Ziploc both maintain that their product lines are completely plasticizer free. The temperatures necessary to create dioxin (around 1500°F) are beyond the normal operating conditions of household and commercial microwave ovens.)

Do not microwave food in plastic containers or covered with plastic wrap that is not microwave safe.

Also, don't brine (or store) foods in containers that are not intended for food preparation - such as a "clean/brand new" mop bucket, plastic trash bag, or trash can.
Hope that helps. From Cooking for Engineers
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Good information guys, thanks.
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