Is it possible to get a giant mixing sticky??

[scott r]

I still feel a responsible opinion free caresheet on mixing should be written, and I will help in any way I can. It will reduce failure and loss.


*Edited SPH [removal of some material at posters request]

[sports_doc]

Originally Posted by Rich Frye

But what are the benefits to mixing for the darts?
If anyone can name one, lets go on.

I can not think of any plausible benefits, based upon what I know from my experience. I could be wrong though...

Rich and others,
Think about this for a minute, people come to me in my 'other life' asking about advice all the time. Some is in regards to activities I might believe to be unsafe, for example [ie: motorcycle riding without gear/helmet, trampolines, big air snowboarding ect].

In fact, I know them to be unsafe, and would not do them myself, based upon the risk/benefit ratio. My partners and I literally make a living off of the mishaps of life, and there are a few activities that are so high risk that they would seem to me [my educated opinion] to be of "no benefit to the person".

That said, I'd be dismissed right off if I said, NO NO NO. My advice would go unheeded, and Darwin would have his way with them...and we fix them when they 'fall' and I make more money

So, I compromise.....I offer suggestions based upon my experience and knowledge on how BEST to approach these activities {which I am using as an example to illustrate my point, other examples exists obviously}. SAFELY, or at least with less risk.

So, if someone were to set up a mixed species tank, to 'simulate nature' perhaps we can guide them, so to minimize the risk to the organisms involved. ??? Perhaps?

Now get busy on that Care Sheet and link me a copy peterborough_sports_doc@yahoo.com so we can put this to rest.

I would like to see some new faces on the care sheet creation team, and a task force started up on this subject asap.

Start with Kyle's original posting

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[scott r]

I would be willing to sign up to help.

[sports_doc]

Nice. Anyone wish to add/edit?

---I'd like to see inclusion of known territory sizes by species? and taking that into consideration.
[Personally I dont think we can recreate Nature in a glass box of limited size.]

---Also, mention of potential cross contamination of virus/bacteria known and unknown.

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[Mywebbedtoes]

This thread is not getting anywhere and that is exactly the problem. When I stated that article should be balanced, I meant it should reflect the fact that some individuals have kept and even bred dart in multi specie tanks. That is a fact we cannot ignore. I also meant that the article should not be harsh or condemning in it's message, but still blunt and straight forward. It is not a pro/con equal thing. If you go back and read my post I specifically state that the pro's of separate tanks WAY out number the pro's of a mixed tank. In fact, the only pros I can think of are for the person doing it, more to look at in one place.

Trust me, we don't need 3 species in a tank to wow the public. I have seen them look at the frogs on their own in total amazement. And the whole idea of a mixed tank offering more hiding spots and plant options is not viable. It would be better for the frog to have that room to himself. See my thread for my opinions on this topic. How Many Can I Put In? - DISCUSSION

Bottom line, lets get something put together. Easy to read and understand with lots of references for further research. It should give an easy to understand reason with the hobby as a whole has rejected the multi species approach. When some one comes on and asks about mixing, we can politely point them there. If they want to ignore it or continue to ask questions that are clearly answered therein, I believe it would be wise just to ignore that post. We also have to except it is their right, they have been warned. That way we can end these 10 page back and fourths between two or three people that go nowhere but around and around.

People love to argue with Rich. Rich, you have a style of writting that comes off harsh and it can be hard to tell if that is how you mean it or not. But regardless, why do people have such issues with what he says? The delivery might be a little to your unliking, but the points are valid non-the-less. I don't get it.

[scott r]

However, people ask a question here, and are told it can't be done. Or it shouldn't be done.

Then they go to websites where they read that it can be done.

So, they will do it. And if they are going to do so, then I feel it is better to help them NOT TO FAIL as bad.

My last post was copied from a well respected member's website, who is also a sponsor here, and one that alot of frog in the hobby come from. I checked all through the site to make sure it was not copyrighted, and I will not say which site it is from.

[sports_doc]

Originally Posted by Mywebbedtoes

This thread is not getting anywhere and that is exactly the problem...........

ah, I disagree. It is moving in the right direction now, we just need you and others to actually help write the Care Sheet, instead of continuing to sound augmentative and defensive. You help is wanted and would be appreciated.

Start by Joining the Care Sheet Creation group, and adding to the Mixing 101 thread started. [Kyle I think will need to open it up again for editing]. The Care Sheet Group gets to see the [eyes only] Creation section and can discuss there.

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[sports_doc]

Originally Posted by scott r

My last post was copied from a well respected member's website, who is also a sponsor here, and one that alot of frog in the hobby come from. I checked all through the site to make sure it was not copyrighted, and I will not say which site it is from.

Lets ask their permission first folks. You can email me and I will ask or you can take the initiative yourself, either way...out of respect for their work.

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[scott r]

Shawn,
That is why I mentioned where it came from but not the author.

feel free to delete it

[Mywebbedtoes]

Originally Posted by sports_doc

ah, I disagree. It is moving in the right direction now, we just need you and others to actually help write the Care Sheet, instead of continuing to sound augmentative and defensive. You help is wanted and would be appreciated.

Actually I was writting that as the last couple posts went through (and certain edits were made by you Shawn). I do agree that it is helpful and going in the right direction once people stop arguing and start putting down information.

I would love to assist in helping if I have time tonight. EDIT: How do I join?