Is it possible to get a giant mixing sticky??

[sports_doc]

Mixing 101

Kyle [or someone else] even started it for us.

S

[Mywebbedtoes]

I have been thinking about this for a long time!

Maybe if it was undertaken by a team, so the information is as accuarate as possible, but as opinion free as possible too.

[Rich Frye]

I think you may have missed my point a bit Shawn. I will be glad to write a ten page post on mixing, but I will not take the time if it is buried in the areas many (only using "many" because of the more than many repeat posts) beginners chronically skip over. So, if the giant bold thing (like a heading three times the normal font size) is a possibility, I'm writing as soon as I get the go, if not , and my work is dumped into the other great , informative ,obviously skipped over care sheet , I'll save my time.
I write my share of posts to try to help out with beginners questions , but there are limits to what we can all take. One thing people do not realize when chronically starting a thread that has been beaten to death is the "experts " will only post on these such threads sooooo many times before dropping out. Then the "newbies" end up with less than expert opinions. Whatever we all consider expert is another matter, but you all get my point.
I've written about reading before posting questions . This thread sums up my beliefs.

How Much Time Did You Personally Spend Reading Before Postin

Quality is hurt when we spam, and it is spam at a certain point, our board. It is quality over quantity we should all be striving for.

Rich

[sports_doc]

ahh but a complete and persuasive Care Sheet can be quoted at first sight of a 'Repeat Question' offense....[the DB Yellow Card option]

I think Kyle started the Mixing 101 to get 'something on paper', but it is far from complete and can be improved upon so that it can "stand alone" when cited without need for any further debate, responses, questions or cyber ECT

and I did get one of your points Rich, on making it BOLD and BEAUTIFUL [read= hard to miss] but we cant do that with everything. All the sections would be filled with BOLD stickies that would go unnoticed like the elephant in the living room.

The care sheets can not only be read by the newbie and experienced alike but they should serve as a reference citation for anyone wanting to point someone in the right direction.

Then ....any threads started, can END. Abruptly, by anyone enlighted by their own prior perusial of the care sheets...and willing to point someone towards the light.

We hope.

S

[therizman2]

I am on another extremely well run forum and am a moderator on it, and the same issue exists. Some people just refuse to use the search function due to pure laziness. From my experience age doesnt matter, its more so the outlook the person has. It is rediculous to always see mixing posts though... that is the one thing I really like about poison dart frogs, is that they are just like they are in nature. If you go to ANY reptile show, everything is bred for looks, hypo this, or hypo that... it is just rediculous.

I know I have very few posts here, but that is mainly due to the fact that I do use the search function when I have a question, and if you read back, just about any and every question is answered. I had questions about terribilis and how other people care for them... pages and pages and PAGES of threads. I found out more than I will ever need, but none the less, all the information I needed/wanted was right there waiting for me.

Maybe just have a brief overview of the site when someone joins... five pages to have to click through showing how to use the search function and showing where the area of FAQ is. Some people really just need it pointed out like that from my experiences...

[scott r]

I would be willing to participate in this. Not for the same reasons as the ones that I believe Rich had in mind when starting this thread (Not assuming Rich's motive, just perception)

I really like this forum, and have gotten some good design ideas here. Still looking for a way to make the thunderstorm sounds that warn you the misters are coming on at the grocery store by the way. For me not the frogs. I think that is cool.

In 1991, while in the Navy, I caught a bunch of Auratus in Hawaii, and kept them in a crude tank. A few years later, I came across a copy of Jewels of the Rainforest. The huge hardback copy. It is falling apart today, but I still have it. In the mid 90's, I met Philip De Vosjoli who was a strange man, but quite fasinating. His tanks were mixed tanks, but he did alot of experimenting. He is the one that turned me on to kitty litter as a substrate in the water areas.
Vosjoli published alot of books and articles on PDFs. Alot of the articles he wrote on vivarium design included a list of species kept in the tanks. Alot of these tanks were mixed as well.

So, people do set up mixed tanks, and are going to set up mixed tanks. This is a reality, like it or not. I am not in favor of hybrids, but I am in favor of healthy frogs.

Some people on here have taken my opinions out of context recently, and I am not encouraging people to set up mixed tanks.

However, like Shawn stated, I believe that it is necessary to provide the information needed to properly design and set up a mixed enclosure so that all of the needs of the frogs are atleast met at a minimum. Telling people no is not going to keep them from setting up the enclosure. Providing them the information will keep them from setting it up wrong and causing unnecessary losses.

As stewards of the frogs in the hobby, it is the responsibility to keep the frogs around for the next generation. Providing the information, like it or not, will help meet that responsibility.

And, as Mywebbedtoes stated, the article should remain opinion free. Except perhaps a bold disclaimer at the beginning " It is the general consenses of the members of DB that species should not be mixed!! However, if you must setup a mixed enclosure, the following are design aspects that MUST be used"

And, it should not be in the beginner's section

[scott r]

I just read a post drug out from 2 years ago titled "The mixed tank verdict".

82.57% voted that mixing is atleast possible

The numbers above were 199 in favor, and 42 definate NOs.

Of those, 102 voted Sure!

So, I believe that yes, the information on proper design, and husbandry is needed right away.

[devin mac]

Originally Posted by sports_doc

Now, on the subject of Newbies...you are all hypocrites...every one of you [not literally everyone of course] we all started this hobby at some point, fresh and naive...and I can distinctly remember myself asking the crowd how to make a ff cx?, and how often to mist?, ect, ect, ect. Never once [in the good old days] did anyone tell me to "try the search feature you idiot". And I would hope we could start to be more tolerant of folks who are new to the hobby, and came here to our beloved DB to learn more and express their enthusiasm...however misguided at first.

Newbies, ect. are what keep the hobby fresh, and growing, and supply business for the community, and new ideas, and yes the enthusiasm that some of us have lost.

Noones nose should go up, we should quit poking fun of people; if you dont like a thread- dont read it, and if you can help someone- do so.

i'm just quoting this and bolding the parts i feel are most important...

[Rich Frye]

I am truly sorry if out of this whole thread the contribution would be that someone was never called an idiot and that we need to quit poking fun of people.
Very sorry...

[ian]

So I'm starting a mixed tank and waas wondering if.....

Just kinding. I agree with a major sticky or even make it a topic you have to read before you actually become a member. Just a thought. I too noticed the influx of this topic in the past few weeks, shoot, even days. I don't want to sound like a drill sgt. but every one should be exposed to it right away.

To the future of our frogs,

Ian