D. auratus "El Cope"

[jibfest]

Originally Posted by rmelancon

Finally recovered some pix from my dead server. Here is a pair from the "original" line from Ian.

These look alot like Nicaraguan auratus. My El Cope (UE Line) are much more turquiose & Bronze and shy, if I come near the tank the bolt

[stu&shaz]

Rusty fascinating thread,thanks for starting this. As far as the shyness debate we can contribute an observation,as to the other stuff regarding lines thats intreguing to us.
So we get to see various imports of the (UE) elcope that make there way to England,as we frequent the uk's only specialist amphibian shop,we have been watching Elcope since we first thought about darts maybe 2/1/2 yrs ago,nearly ever group to come here have been very bold,especially considering they have just travelled half way around our planet, just one group were shy as hell,i wonder whether there is some factor in their rearing/young lives that contributes to this shyness. Of course i bow to what has been written above by guys that have forgotten more than we yet have learnt,but it seems strange to me that frogs can vary so much within in the same species,from the same source.
We can echo this variabilitly of shyness with our understory superblue auratus,here the pattern of male shyness is apparent. Our male is almost invisable,we know he's there ...he calls when he's fathered another lot of tads
his two ladies are bolder,one very much moreso than the other. I'm fascinated as to why.I wonder if it was possibly to get auratus bolder then they would be more popular than they are,and hence more secure in captivity as more folks would desire them.
Its a shame that such strong beautiful frogs are not more popular,which to my novice eyes seems to be,down to that shy rep
Stu

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Originally Posted by stu&shaz

Rusty fascinating thread,thanks for starting this. As far as the shyness debate we can contribute an observation,as to the other stuff regarding lines thats intreguing to us.
So we get to see various imports of the (UE) elcope that make there way to England,as we frequent the uk's only specialist amphibian shop,we have been watching Elcope since we first thought about darts maybe 2/1/2 yrs ago,nearly ever group to come here have been very bold,especially considering they have just travelled half way around our planet, just one group were shy as hell,i wonder whether there is some factor in their rearing/young lives that contributes to this shyness. Of course i bow to what has been written above by guys that have forgotten more than we yet have learnt,but it seems strange to me that frogs can vary so much within in the same species,from the same source.
We can echo this variabilitly of shyness with our understory superblue auratus,here the pattern of male shyness is apparent. Our male is almost invisable,we know he's there ...he calls when he's fathered another lot of tads
his two ladies are bolder,one very much moreso than the other. I'm fascinated as to why.I wonder if it was possibly to get auratus bolder then they would be more popular than they are,and hence more secure in captivity as more folks would desire them.
Its a shame that such strong beautiful frogs are not more popular,which to my novice eyes seems to be,down to that shy rep
Stu

Stu,
It is interesting indeed. All my adults are very shy. I have 6 adults in a 36x24x24 Exo-Terra. They are in a heavily planted tank with lots of leaf litter. I see them occasionally when they feed and that's about it. Once in a great while I'll hear a call. But they breed quite frequently. I have a few generations of their babies growing up and they are really bold. So different you hardly think it's the same frog lol.

[motydesign]

My UE are shy, not sure what the off spring will do? But will find out shortly! Found these this morning

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Originally Posted by motydesign

My UE are shy, not sure what the off spring will do? But will find out shortly! Found these this morning

Congrats!!!! Nice clutch of eggs!!!

[thedude]

So what info is there with the new 'El Cope'? It seems they aren't the same as the old line but is there any locality data with them aside from the obvious? Very cool frogs. My friend has 2, one shy and one bold.

[jacobi]

Have they gotten bolder with time? Its interesting that the offspring are bolder...

Jake

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Since my original group of 6 has matured they are A LOT bolder. I often see 4 or 5 of the 6 out and about at the same time. It's like they are a totally different frog. Maybe they just needed time to mature.

And as a side note, I recently completed a trade and found out that indeed the UE line is the same as the Ian Hiller line. Since this is 2nd hand info I guess it's hearsay till it can be confirmed personally from Ian, but I trust the guy that passed the info on to me.