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Old 01-28-2009, 08:48 AM
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I agree with Ed that lack of proper nutrition may be the determining factor here. The reason I believe that is partly based on what I learned in becoming a natural childbirth instructor----every 'womb' in nature, like humans, has a protective shell of some sort, or a membrane in this case. In humans, improper nutrition can lead to a premature rupturing of the membrane and the baby can be lost. It is not farfetched to conclude that since we are made similarly to other things in nature that the same cause for human miscarriage could apply to frogs.

Many of us are aware of the ban on the pesticide known as DDT, which caused birds' eggshells to crack under the weight of their parents---best to eliminate every unnatural factor when raising the frogs, I think, because when He made them, He knew best---in the wild, they get plenty of good nutrition, so it seems logical that we should try and vary foods to most closely duplicate that environment.

I strongly suggest you get some fruit flies---I have gotten good cultures from Buy Flightless Fruit Flies, Fruit Fly Cultures, Silkworms and Reptile Food at the Fruitfly Shop. It takes some trial and error, but you can raise them from cultures you create yourself with very little cost. Frogs cannot survive indefinitely on only springtails. Besides the limited amount of nutrition they would get eating them, there is very little, if any, surface area on the creatures to allow you to get enough vitamins/calcium to the frog in the first place. Hope this helps.

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He`s feeding ff`s, just switched from melano to hydei. Ff`s aren`t a main staple in the jungle. Actually springtails would be closer to what they naturally eat.
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When you say you are using the Rep-Cal 2 part are you using both parts or only one? Or are you using the Rep-Cal without D3?

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is this what your eggs are looking like? this is whats happening to mine lately, you can see the top one which is completely dead and the other two just suddenly had this white growth(mold?) apear literally overnight.

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When you say you are using the Rep-Cal 2 part are you using both parts or only one? Or are you using the Rep-Cal without D3?

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Im using herpvite with beta carotene and the phosphorous free calcium. Im using them both in the same dusting. SHould I be alternating?

Link: My eggs look similar when they die but not as developed. Kind of looks like the tiny tadd falls off the egg sideways...

As an update: The eggs seem to be doing well this time. They are on about day 8, which is very much estimated. It's 8 days since I pulled the eggs out, no idea when they actually layed them. Ill throw on another picture at day 10 and then 12. I suppose I should start getting my tad rearing container setup...

I intend on moving them individually into deli cups with about 2" of water at first with black water extract and some java moss. I was planning on using my incubator so I could have light... should I just keep them at room temp? I could try to get the inubator at about the same as room temp since they seem to do better at lower temps...
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If I understand correctly you should be using the calcium with D3 with the Herptivite not the straight calcium without phosphorus (they are two different products). If you are feeding frequently alternating is fine otherwise follow the directions on the container.

There appears (stressing appears) to be issues with anurans efficiently converting beta-carotene to retinol which can be part of the problem and why some frogs seem to take longer to produce eggs that complete development and hatch.

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I apologize. I guess my comment was taken to mean that springtails are a "better" food for darts than dusted ff`s. Although I think I said more natural staple, meaning they have much more access to them and they make up a larger part of their diet in the wild, someone figured it better to give a bad rep point than mention that to me so that we could debate it.
Although I imagine they haven`t had much success w/ pumilio to say that.....

And congrats they look well. You might have had them to close to the water. Hi temps will sometimes cause those symptoms in forming tads.

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If we`re giving bad reps for those statements, maybe I should show that your statements on springtails having less surface area than flies is false, and give bad reps to earthfrog and andyshores. In an equal sized cup springs have much more surface area than ff`s do.
Pore space remains the same and surface area increases as particles get smaller.
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ok so should I just keep them in deli cups at room temp? or use the incubator and turn it down to like 73 or so? Should yield air temp of like 68-69....

Forgfarm are you talking about Melano. flies or Hydei or either one?
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ok so should I just keep them in deli cups at room temp? or use the incubator and turn it down to like 73 or so? Should yield air temp of like 68-69....

Forgfarm are you talking about Melano. flies or Hydei or either one?

eggs should be kept in the lo 70`s moreso than the hi 70`s.
Talking about melano or hydei for what? Melanogaster and hydei are nutritionally similar, one is just bigger than the other.
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