Things that have always bugged me about the hobby
Posted 11-17-2008 at 09:21 PM by Brian Ferriera
Over the years thier have been a number of things that we as hobbyist continue to fight over and over and over again. Here are what i call the big 4 and my thoughts on why arguing over them is old and pointless
1. Mixed tanks-Since the dawn of keeping darts this (as well as the next one) have been argued over and over and over again. Thier is a ton of info out thier about this and the pros and cons of it. The bottom line is regardless of what people think it can and has worked..and I think its done allot more then what people relies. As long as your careful..give the frogs enough space and keep an eye on things and...AND have some experience under your belt that you now what to look for this can be accomplished..
2. Hybrids-The biggest thing I hate hearing about this is..look at ball pythons, corn snakes, milk snake etc..they have all these cool colors why cant we do that buy crossing tinks together and make a tinkapoodle... Here is the thing no one ever thinks about. You can go to different areas and find a population of cobalts tinks..you can go to another area and find lorenzo tinks...Naturally accruing color variations in separate populations..You cannot go out and find a population of Clown Ball pythons..these where all anomalies not separate populations. This is why I think that argument is pointless. I also cant understand why people compare one hobby to the other..having been in both hobbies I can tell you that you're dealing with 2 completely different sets of people.. Thier are allot of snake people out thier that are purely in it to be the first one that makes this morph of that morph..and allot of people who are purely driven to make that tanks 50k snake. While i am shore this happens with in the dendro hobby
(see point 4)I have seen allot more people driven to keep the hobby alive and take mentors in this then I ever did in the other herp hobbies
3. Mysteriosus- Yep put your hard hats on because I am going thier... I am really...really sick of people fighting over this one..bottom line their illegal in this country ...period end of discussion...Just because thier legal in some places in Europe do's not make them legal here...Furthermore any of you out thier that are keeping them are doing more of a disservice to the hobby then you are to further it...but then again people with them tend to fall on my 4th and final point...
4. Greed- Why do we need to have every frog out thier??? It took me a long time to answer this question myself and I have fought many demons with this but for the first time in a long time I can say the green eyed monster is gone from me..Yes I think there are many cool frogs out thier. But my Mentor ...who for some reason has stuck by me all this years even though I have screwed up time and time again..has a fairly large collection with some rather rare frogs and he has got thier with 1 pair of vents....let me say that again 1pr of vents...How? He ether traded them for other frogs or sold them and put the money back into his collection. I am sitting on a rather large amount of imitator froglets/tadpoles right now but I will not buy another frog or even setup a tank until I sell some. I am done worrying about the next big thing or about having a large collection and I am very happy with my "collection" now.
Sorry for the long post Hopefully the next one will be shorter
Brian Ferriera
Bridgewater, Ma
1. Mixed tanks-Since the dawn of keeping darts this (as well as the next one) have been argued over and over and over again. Thier is a ton of info out thier about this and the pros and cons of it. The bottom line is regardless of what people think it can and has worked..and I think its done allot more then what people relies. As long as your careful..give the frogs enough space and keep an eye on things and...AND have some experience under your belt that you now what to look for this can be accomplished..
2. Hybrids-The biggest thing I hate hearing about this is..look at ball pythons, corn snakes, milk snake etc..they have all these cool colors why cant we do that buy crossing tinks together and make a tinkapoodle... Here is the thing no one ever thinks about. You can go to different areas and find a population of cobalts tinks..you can go to another area and find lorenzo tinks...Naturally accruing color variations in separate populations..You cannot go out and find a population of Clown Ball pythons..these where all anomalies not separate populations. This is why I think that argument is pointless. I also cant understand why people compare one hobby to the other..having been in both hobbies I can tell you that you're dealing with 2 completely different sets of people.. Thier are allot of snake people out thier that are purely in it to be the first one that makes this morph of that morph..and allot of people who are purely driven to make that tanks 50k snake. While i am shore this happens with in the dendro hobby
(see point 4)I have seen allot more people driven to keep the hobby alive and take mentors in this then I ever did in the other herp hobbies
3. Mysteriosus- Yep put your hard hats on because I am going thier... I am really...really sick of people fighting over this one..bottom line their illegal in this country ...period end of discussion...Just because thier legal in some places in Europe do's not make them legal here...Furthermore any of you out thier that are keeping them are doing more of a disservice to the hobby then you are to further it...but then again people with them tend to fall on my 4th and final point...
4. Greed- Why do we need to have every frog out thier??? It took me a long time to answer this question myself and I have fought many demons with this but for the first time in a long time I can say the green eyed monster is gone from me..Yes I think there are many cool frogs out thier. But my Mentor ...who for some reason has stuck by me all this years even though I have screwed up time and time again..has a fairly large collection with some rather rare frogs and he has got thier with 1 pair of vents....let me say that again 1pr of vents...How? He ether traded them for other frogs or sold them and put the money back into his collection. I am sitting on a rather large amount of imitator froglets/tadpoles right now but I will not buy another frog or even setup a tank until I sell some. I am done worrying about the next big thing or about having a large collection and I am very happy with my "collection" now.
Sorry for the long post Hopefully the next one will be shorter
Brian Ferriera
Bridgewater, Ma
Total Comments 8
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awesome! i agree i just cant believe that every zoo you go to has mixed vivs.arent they supposed to be the ones setting an example for good conservation?Posted 11-17-2008 at 11:58 PM by iridebmx
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Great points!Posted 11-18-2008 at 02:45 AM by kyle1745
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Well put Brian.
sPosted 11-18-2008 at 11:04 AM by Scott
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Too much greed is right! When is enough enough? I would rather not have any frogs at all in my vivarium if it in some way does a disservice to the hobby.Posted 11-18-2008 at 09:39 PM by bockenstein
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Great points, except for one inconsistancy, which is that corns and milks have a large number of variations in the wild. Every kind of milksnake that you see is the same species.Posted 11-23-2008 at 01:28 AM by bobberly1
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Yes, and no..you do find natural variation among them more so then with other snakes but thier are more designer variations then there are natural variations.. you wont find a population of snows,candy-canes or scarless corn snakes in the wild. The point was maid more that you don't find all these "designer" morphs but yes you are right they are highly variable.
BrianPosted 11-23-2008 at 01:51 AM by Brian Ferriera
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I definitely agree with #4! When I first started out, I had to have em all. Now, I have learned that it really is easier to find a few species that you really like and do them well. Great post.Posted 12-16-2008 at 02:02 AM by MarcNem
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Some really good points there!Posted 11-11-2012 at 09:27 AM by Ranitomeya Jack
