Looking into thumbnails...

[themann42]

sorry i guess i didn't clarify that i was still talking about the vents. they seem like they would be my best bet, because i only read good things about them, they're cute, hardy, and they're cheap too. especially now you say they do well in groups i'll prolly end up with them.

i'm curious about pumilio, if the males don't get along, how would you purchase them? would you have to buy a sexed pair, that's even more money.

thanks for the info

[Dane]

It just depends on the ferocity of the males in question. (Hard to imagine a 1/2" frog being ferocious if you've never seen it, though.) I've kept 3 separate pairs of males in different enclosures together temporarily with minimal visible effects. There will generally be an agressor and a sumissive, but as long as there are plenty of hide spots, I haven't seen a problem.

[Homer]

Vents are great, but don't rule out imitators, or the intermedius. I find that my intermedius are far more bold than the vents.

[frogman824]

My first thumbs were retics. I bought 3 of them about a week ago because they looked so tempting in their containers and they were only $100 each....and the vendor accepted credit cards. I purchased them at about 2 months old and theyre doing pretty good, they're in their individual gladware container for the time being until i construct their viv and give the plants some time to grow. Do retics do well in trios or would I be better off selling the extra one if i end up with a pair?

Mike

[c'est ma]

Can't answer Mike's question, but I have a comment/question about pumilio. My son's first small pdf's were 2 Bastimentos, and they proved to be very hardy, but unfortunately turned out to both be males. Our quest to locate a female Basti has so far been fruitless. It seems to me that very few obligate egg-feeder offspring are ever available, as opposed to the more easily raised true thumbnails. So I would not be so quick to include pumilio in the general category of frogs for which the desired sex can be traded if you end up with all males. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong...

--Diane

[themann42]

imitators and intermedius aren't necessarily ruled out, but being realistic, with the vents costing so much less i'd prolly get them.

i plan on setting up a tank around 30gal, so about 6 frogs would be nice. from what i read vents would do great in a setup like that, and would cost me about $270 (i wouldn't need shipping). imitators would cost about $480 (plus shipping), and i've read that the females would likey eat eachothers eggs. intermedius, though i love their looks, would be even more at about $750 (plus shipping), and i've read that you should have a bit of thumb experience first. That's just going by Dr Frye's pricing.

does anybody have both leucs and vents? i'm curious if the two could be compared by how often they are visible. i see my leucs a lot, and i'd prolly see them more if the plants were grown in more. i'd hope to see vents as least just as often. i'd have more of them too so that'd also make a difference.

i have 6 vents in my 29. i can see at least 4 of them at any time i look into the viv. around mid day there are usually at least 4 right on the glass and the other 2 are always visible. ive said before i cant speak for other people's vents, but the ones from Ed's Fly Meat are definatly bold!