Looking into thumbnails...

[Mantellaprince20]

Here is my 75 gallon viv for the vents, I will see if I can't get a better picture tonight after my botany final..........eeek



Pumilio viv


When I say thick, I mean THICK I like lots of vegetation and so do the frogs. Check out the rest of my pics here http://www.dendroboard.com/coppermine/t ... ?album=248

Take care,

ed parker

[mnchartier]

Thanks for the pictures, that is pretty dense, looks great. Thanks for the example.

Adam,
im a little ahead of you, but in a very similar position. i have a 37 gallon tank just waiting to be set up for a nice display frog.

IMO, i didnt want to jump right into pumilio, even though some are considered good beginner small frogs.

i set up a 29 for my first thumbs, which happen to be vents. as stated above, they are a very forgiving small frog.

i have their home fairly heavily planted as i tend to agree with Ed. it makes for a much more comfortable home, and animal. i think this is true with all of the species i keep, from fish, to crustaceans, to herps. its a very simple concept, and IME a true one.

my 37 will house either imis, or some form of bastis, but for now i am very happy with my vents. i purchased all 6 from Dave and Erin at Ed's Fly Meat. i have seen Dave post of the boldness of his vents, and i cant comment on others, but mine are very bold, and very active.

as for color.....

here is a pic of one of mine. you can see the color and pattern its legs real well here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/ ... 053_PB.jpg

another in the shade, so you dont have the light reflecting. you can see the back color much better here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/ ... 044_PB.jpg

here is a pic of the viv i keep them in. it constantly growing in, and im sure will be very dense in due time
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/ ... 060_PB.jpg

and for any one interested here is a link to all the pics of these frogs and their home.
http://photobucket.com/albums/v618/free ... 0Paradise/

[themann42]

you weren't lying, that 75 is dense! looks great!

2mnytnx, first off i never would have understood your name if i didn't just type it out lol. anyways, nice pictures! they look adorable. if i'm not mistaken, vents are among the cheaper of the 'smaller frogs' (is there a general name for all the smaller frogs including thumbs and pumilio?). if they are, they make a very good candidate for my first thumbs. they're exceptionally awesome looking.

here's another question about the smaller frogs... how well do they do in tanks with water? from what i know darts aren't exactly swimmers, and there have been cases about drownings sometimes. what about these little guys? with all the jumping around they do would i have to worry about them falling into a pond? of course if i had a little pond it would have a slope out that they could crawl up easily, but if they land in a deeper area would they be able to swim ok to the shallow area?

[slaytonp]

That tank looks like thumbnail paradise! Another beauty no one has mentioned yet (I don't think) is D. reticlulatus, which like the imitators, also have an irridescent sheen that photos don't do justice to. They are also the tiniest of all thumbs, very active and quite bold. Mine seem to be more ruby red than deep orange one sees in photos, which gives them a striking gem-like quality They are not cheap, however. If you get these for a first thumb, try for juveniles or adults, as the froglets can be pretty delicate. Once past the froglet stage however, they are about as hardy as any. One thing that startled me about them is the size of their eggs, which are comparatively so huge one wonders where the mama stored them before laying.

Darts swim quite capably, even the thumbs. As long as you have an egress, they will not drown. Even without an egress, the thumbs are efficient glass climbers and can get out that way.

as far as a cheaper frog, thay only cost me about $50. i see them all the time in the classifieds for around that or and even a little less.

i have a small river in my 29 that runs across the land to the front and down the front glass. its about 2 1/2" deep at the bottom corner. ive seen numerous dives off of the cliff into that section (trying to get away from the camera :lol: ) and they dont have any trouble. they dont even appear to really "swim". they seem to just run across the top of the water. ive seen mine climb the vertical face of the waterfall and the glass to exit with no trouble at all.

[themann42]

haha that's cool, i guess i'll plan on a water feature then.

and only $50? that's even cheaper than i thought. i never really looked them up, but i figured at least about 75 so that's sweet. i guess i've just been looking at too many pumilio which are always over 100 a piece.

:lol:

that was one of the key reasons i started with them. my wife even wants me to have more experience with thumbs before i keep some $150 frogs :mrgreen:

[themann42]

yeah i just looked up their price from the same guy i bought my leucs, and they are just $45. it's crazy i thought they were a lot more. here's another question that i can't seem to find any info on... how well do they do in groups? if i bought 6, would i keep all six, or would i have to weed out males/females because of aggression as they grow?

[Mantellaprince20]

that is another species specific question. What species are you looking into???

Vents can be kept in large groups, no problems. Imitators, females have a tendency to eat others eggs, fantasticus so far seem to be good in a group, pumilio definitely not a group unless you have a LARGE vivarium, as males like to drowned each other, and females eat each others eggs. Not sure what else you may be looking into, but if you post the specific species, that would work for us

ed parker