Mixing azureus

liriel · #1 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 03:30 PM

I'm new to frogs and while I set up the vivarium I'm deciding on species. I really like cobalt azureus so I think I'll go that route. From my research I see that you shouldn't mix species, but what about different color of the same species? Like a yellowback and cobalt if they are both azureus?

Julio · #2 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 03:45 PM

although they are the same species they are different morphs and occur in different regions so they should not be mixed.

RedEyeTroyFrog · #3 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by liriel

I'm new to frogs and while I set up the vivarium I'm deciding on species. I really like cobalt azureus so I think I'll go that route. From my research I see that you shouldn't mix species, but what about different color of the same species? Like a yellowback and cobalt if they are both azureus?

what do you mean by cobalt azureus? these are two different morphs that are part of the Dendrobates Tinctorius species... Dendrobates Tinctorius (yellow back), Dendrobates Tinctorius (Cobalt), Dendrobates Tinctorius (Azureus). . .
- As Julio said it is frowned upon to mix morphs here for the reason that they may cross - breed, and to our current knowledge, there have not been any studies on the matter if it does happen or not... so therefore especially for you being a beginner. Go for Either 2 yellow backs, 2 Azureus, or 2 cobalts

liriel · #4 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 04:44 PM

I'm still learning all the names and species. I saw yellowbacks and cobalt on the tinc/azureus care sheet and wasn't sure if they were the same species or not. I have a 60 gallon tank and know I'll want more than 2 frogs eventually. Is inbreeding between subspecies the only concern? I was more worried about fighting. I need to do more reading but I'm trying to wrap my head around all the species details.

I guess my generic newbie question is: can you ever have more than one color of frogs in a single viv?

steelheader · #5 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by liriel

I'm still learning all the names and species. I saw yellowbacks and cobalt on the tinc/azureus care sheet and wasn't sure if they were the same species or not. I have a 60 gallon tank and know I'll want more than 2 frogs eventually. Is inbreeding between subspecies the only concern? I was more worried about fighting. I need to do more reading but I'm trying to wrap my head around all the species details.

I guess my generic newbie question is: can you ever have more than one color of frogs in a single viv?

Do a search for "mixing". There are many very long threads on the topic. Welcome to the hobby

RedEyeTroyFrog · #6 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 04:54 PM

Yes, you can have more, but like I said it is frowned upon, I wouldn't be all that worried about fighting, As long as the frogs grow up together in the tank they should be ok, with very little to no fighting. Cross breeding is the major concern here on the board... some feel very against it, others are kinda up in the air about it. I know from experience, you do not want to cross. . .

on another note lets look for the best option for you in the 60 gallon Viv...

liriel · #7 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 05:11 PM

Ill definitely do a search on mixing. It's a 24x24x24 tank I believe. I like the cobalts (I'm still confused about tinc vs azureus) that are yellow and blue. I would live to start with 2-3 of these. My husband really likes the yellow/blacks or oranges. I know, I'm still not comfortable with scientific names. If I have to just have cobalts I'm ok with that, but can I add 2-3 more down the road after my originals settle in?

I really need to decide how I feel about having diff colors... I am guessing they should be added when everyone is small if I go that route.

I am just not sure how to start. Do I get the final number of the one I want up front? I wanted them from different broods to help mitigate inbreeding.

What would you guys suggest fir a giant 60 gallon starter viv fir someone who loves bright colors and big brightly colored bold frogs?

Dragas · #8 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 05:21 PM

D. Leucomelas sound perfect. (Yellow/Black) and you can house a group. I have 4 in a 55g.

Great beginner frogs, not too shy either.

These were my first frogs as well. I have recently just set up another viv for some D. Azureus.

RedEyeTroyFrog · #9 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 05:40 PM

Azureus is not its own species....its a morph from the Dendrobates tinctorius species, for a 24 x 24 x 24, you have to realize that tinctorius are a terrestrial frog, while they will climb they spend most of the time on the floor. I'd say 4 cobalts MAX on a 24 x 24 ground area, and do not add to the collection after the original has settled in, that is when problems occur, territories are al ready established, and when a new frog comes in, this is usually when the fighting takes place... If you love Bright, Big, Bold frogs, Id say Cobalts, Citronella, or I was confused by what u mean by yellow/black or orange, are you talking about the splashback dart frog, Dendrobates Galactonotus? Or Dendrobates Leucomelas, .....or even Yellowback tinc?

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Originally Posted by liriel

Ill definitely do a search on mixing. It's a 24x24x24 tank I believe. I like the cobalts (I'm still confused about tinc vs azureus) that are yellow and blue. I would live to start with 2-3 of these. My husband really likes the yellow/blacks or oranges. I know, I'm still not comfortable with scientific names. If I have to just have cobalts I'm ok with that, but can I add 2-3 more down the road after my originals settle in?

I really need to decide how I feel about having diff colors... I am guessing they should be added when everyone is small if I go that route.

I am just not sure how to start. Do I get the final number of the one I want up front? I wanted them from different broods to help mitigate inbreeding.

What would you guys suggest fir a giant 60 gallon starter viv fir someone who loves bright colors and big brightly colored bold frogs?

liriel · #10 (**permalink**) 05-27-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RedEyeTroyFrog

If you love Bright, Big, Bold frogs, Id say Cobalts, Citronella, or I was confused by what u mean by yellow/black or orange, are you talking about the splashback dart frog, Dendrobates Galactonotus? Or Dendrobates Leucomelas, .....or even Yellowback tinc?

I keep reef tanks and these silly frogs seem way more complicated! I thought azureus was a species... I guess I mean tinc! I have no idea on the kinds of yellow or orange frogs, those are just the general colors my hubby likes. I was hoping I could have yellowbacks with cobalts (both appear to be tincs) but I need to do more detailed research on that, clearly. I'll look up everything you guys suggested. I'm going slow on this and I'm trying to learn as much as I can. It doesn't help that everything is so controversal!

I appreciate all the feedback and suggestions. I'm so excited!