Colors on Panamanian Green and Black Auratus

[defaced]

Does this local of Auratus have a fairly blue belly as opposed to the green of their back?

[Ben_C]

Do you mean the 'standard Panama' morph/locale?
If so, then yes...they have a teal/blue belly.

I hope this helps,
B

[defaced]

Yes, that's the morph I was reffering to. That helped as I've now identified my mystery Auratus. Black that's actually a dark brown, belly that's teal as opposed to green = panamian green and black auratus. Now I can start looking for a mate.

[KeroKero]

Check out the D. auratus care sheet for some interesting morph info... specifically looking at the PFR Green morph, which is the frog you are seemingly describing. The reason the morph is called "Green" rather than "green and black" is do mainly to the fact that most of the frogs aren't truely black... but they aren't part of the "green and bronze" morph either. I didn't realize their bellies were blue... but it doesn't suprise me all that much considering what I've seen in my truncs (whose bellies tended towards green in some animals).

[defaced]

Cool, so I am on the right track. From reading the description, there's no way this matches any of the other G&B Auratus morphs.

Corey, somewhere I read you saying that there were two lines of Nic G&B Auratus in the country. Are there names to these lines? I'm on the never ending hunt to get lineage on my first few frogs.

[Ben_C]

It is still possible that you have a Hawai'ian auratus...
Their pattern was EXTREMELY variable w/ respect to other 'morphs.'
Color ranged from almost yellow to almost blue (with white-ish variants occuring rarely)
Pattern ranged from 'standard panama' to reticulated to a cross pattern (thin black line forming a cross on the back), spotted pattern, spotted w/ cross, one thick line from head to cloaca.
pattern color ranged from bronze to dark brown to light brown to black to purple-ish (white specimens only)
I have several that have a teal-ish belly so it's entirely possible (although not probable) that you have a Hawai'ian auratus as I've seen several who match the 'standard panama' description.
I can provide pictures of all of these pattern/color patterns if you are in need.
I hope this helps (although it may have just complicated things),
Ben

[KeroKero]

Right now it seems that besides the animals you're working with Ben, most of the frogs have been around the hobby a while and seem to be less variable than the frogs you've got... tend to fall from typical G&B coloration to strongly reticed, with high gold to almost mostly green in the hobby. This probibly developed do to the lack of a large breeding population (most of the frogs around today probibly come from a limited gene pool) in the hobby as a whole.


Now *your* frogs... you've probibly got a larger genetic base in your frogs than the population currently in the hobby lol. Your population also has a good number of generations in the wild influenced by hawaiian selection processes... which haven't occured in the hawaiian frogs that have been bred in the hobby. We talked about this type thing in the past... the frogs in the hobby not looking like the frogs in hawaii. Something about you seeing animals with more gold coloration rather than the more typical green seen in the hobby? Not that they weren't produced in the wild, just that the frogs living to reproduce tended towards the more "extreme" colors. In the hobby, where this selection does not occur, we may very well have bred them back to their more "traditional" state of what we typically see in the hobby?

I currently know of only two groups of original Nic imports... Matt Mirabello and Tracy Hicks. Matt is producing them the most, and Viv concepts is producing from his line (as I believe most in the hobby are from him). There may be others, but I haven't found them.

[defaced]

You two are great, Thanks!!!

The frog I have originated from a pet store, so the likelyhood of it being one from the group of the Hawiian Auratus that Ben's talking about is probably pretty low.

[*slddave*]

where's the pic homeboy?